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我们有一台Agilent U1620A示波表，无法在scopemode中启动数据记录器（它在DMM模式下工作）。
根据手册，它应该立即开始记录。 它没有，它没有显示图表或测量值。 它也不会对“运行/停止”按钮作出反应。 我们更新到固件0.150.9，但这没有帮助。 我们做错了什么？ 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 We have an Agilent U1620A Scopemeter, and can't get the data logger to start in scopemode (It works in DMM mode). According to the manual, it should start to log immediately. It doesn't, and it shows no graphs or measurement values. It does not react to the "Run/Stop" button either. We updated to firmware 0.150.9, but that didn't help. What are we doing wrong? 附件
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您是否通过安捷伦支持解决了这个问题？
你有没有弄清楚如何使它工作？ 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Did you ever get this resolved with Agilent support? Did you figure out how to make it work? |
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不确定你是否曾解决过这个问题，但我遇到了同样的问题而且已经解决了。
看来如果输入上没有信号，记录仪（在示波器模式下）将不会启动。 按照手册中的说明，没有记录，没有显示，没有统计数据等。如果您只是尝试使用示波器熟悉功能并且没有信号源连接到其中一个，则通常会出现这种情况。 输入通道。 当我认为可能需要至少一些最小输入信号触发时，我正打电话给安捷伦支持。 所以我连接了600 Hz和4V的方波 - 和宾果 - 它识别输入并开始记录。 在这种情况下，我绘制了频率与时间。 最重要的是，您需要某种输入信号来触发它在示波器模式下唤醒它。 对于DMM模式，情况并非如此，即使没有连接引线，它也会注册值并允许您开始记录，即使它只是噪声或零欧姆......这是一个错误吗？ 还是一个功能？ 很难知道。 目前还不清楚的是最小阈值是识别输入上的东西 - 我会用一个简单的直流偏移进行一些测试，看看是否足以将其唤醒或是否需要某种幅度的某种交流信号 。 在任何一种情况下，手册都可以更清楚地说明最小输入条件是什么（基于所使用的探针）以允许开始记录。 如果没有这个，我同意这个单元坏了或不能正常工作......特别是如果你刚刚熟悉U1620A。 希望这可以帮助。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Not sure if you ever resolved this, but I ran into the same exact issue and have resolved it. It appears that if there is no signal present on the input, the logger (in scope mode) will not start. Following the directions in the manual results in no logging, no display, no stats, etc. This is often the case if you are just experimenting with the scope to become familiar with the capabilities and don't have a signal source connected to one of the input channels. I was about to call Agilent support when I thought that perhaps it required at least some minimal input signal to trigger. So I connected a square wave @ 600 Hz and 4V -- and bingo -- it recognizes the input and begins logging. I plotted frequency vs. time in this case. Bottom line, you need some kind of input signal to trigger it to wake it up in scope mode. This is not the case for the DMM mode where even with no leads connected, it will register values and allow you to begin logging, even if it's just noise or zero ohms... Is this a bug? Or a feature? Hard to know. What's not clear is what the minimum threshold is to recognize something on the input -- I'll run some tests with a simple DC offset to see if that's enough to wake it up or whether it requires some kind of AC signal of a certain amplitude. In either case, the manual could be more clear on this point stating what the minimum input conditions are (based on the probe used) to allow logging to commence. Without this, I agree it appears that the unit is broken or doesn't work right...particularly if you're just becoming familiar with the U1620A. Hope this helps. |
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ggfvxv 发表于 2018-11-22 07:55 如果在U1620A处于“范围”屏幕时未选择任何测量，则范围模式下的数据记录器将无法启动。 因此，为了在示波器模式下启动数据记录器，您需要在示波器屏幕中选择测量，例如“频率”。之后，当您进入记录器模式时，您将能够在示波器模式下启动数据记录 。 我希望这有帮助。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 The data logger in scope mode would not start if there is no measurement selected when the U1620A is in Scope screen. Therefore in order to start the data logger in scope mode, you need to select the measurement in the Scope screen, for example 'Frequency". After that, when you go to logger mode you will able to start the data logging in the Scope mode. I hope this helps. |
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蓝色冰汐 发表于 2018-11-22 08:00 Hi js_w. Thank you for this clarification. Based on your reply, I stand corrected that an input signal is required to initiate logging for scope inputs. I now see that an input signal is _+not+_ required. That said, I experimented more with the user interface and believe that the U1620A GUI and the manual could be improved as follows: 1) First, I tried this many times and "thought" I had a measurement selected. There is an important (and subtle) distinction between selecting a measurement (e.g. Frequency, V or AVG, etc) and then pressing the "SELECT" softkey again to select it -- but then in a 2nd step, pressing the "MEASURE" softkey to actually cause the selected measurement to be active for logging purposes. Therefore, although the Freq measurement in this case was indeed "SELECTED", it wasn't "active"...hence there was nothing to measure or log. 2) My suggestion is two-fold: (a) At the very beginning of the Section 5 of the User Guide (page 86 of this document: http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/U1610-90040.pdf ), there should be a bold warning that states: "You must first select and activate a measure function before logging can start". The starting point of this instruction assumes that you can just press the LOGGING softkey and begin logging when, in fact, you cannot begin logging unless you first go through the setup process of selecting a measurement. It's true that later in this section, this point is briefly mentioned, but I think putting it up front would help avoid confusion. (b) Since some people may not have the manual nearby, the U1620A could easily pop up a warning similar to "Scope Logging Mode is Disabled Until a Measurement is Activated. Please go back and activate a measurement" Also, what makes this confusing is that in the case of the DMM logging, it starts immediately without having to select a measurement -- to the behavior is different between the two, which adds some inconsistency in the UI. Again, this can be addressed with a simple warning message on the U1620A screen and in the manual at the start of section 5. 3) The other point that I think needs a little more clarification in the manual is this: I had two measurements selected for Channel 1, and when in the scope logging mode, I could not see a way to measure Channel 2. After re-reading the manual again, it refers only to two measurements. I then surmised that if you want to view Channel 2, you must go back and deactivate at least one of the Channel 1 measurements which is effectively consuming all 2 logging channels. Once I did that, I was able to split the logging measurements between Channel 1 and Channel 2. I believe that the manual could make this more clear (particularly if you're trying to log between Channel 1 and Channel 2. However, I could also find it very helpful in the LOGGING menu area to allow you to select any of the 2 measurements structured between Channel 1 and Channel 2. This would save a lot of hassle having to reset or disable measurements which you may want to retain in SCOPE mode. Let's use an example to make this more clear: 1) Suppose I'm measuring FREQ and Vp-p on CH1 and CH2. We'll call these FREQ(1), Vpp(1), FREQ(2), Vpp(2) 2) I can see all 4 of these on the bottom of the screen in SCOPE view mode. 3) Now I decide I want to log CH1 and CH2. 4) Currently, if I press LOGGING, it automatically starts to log only FREQ(1) and Vpp(1). There is no way to log FREQ(2) or Vpp(2) without going back and clearing the measurements on all the channels and selecting again what I want to log. This is a lot of work, especially when flipping back and forth between SCOPE and LOGGING modes. 5) My suggestion is that when you are in the LOGGING menu, there is a softkey that allows you to ROTATE between the available unique combinations so you can log the specific measurements you want _without having to reset the measurements in SCOPE mode_. Pressing the SELECT LOGGING MEASUREMENT key would rotate as follows: FREQ(1), Vpp(1) FREQ(2), Vpp(2) FREQ(1), FREQ(2) Vpp(1), Vpp(2) FREQ(1), Vpp(2) FREQ (2), Vpp(1) .... and through all the combinations in case I missed any ... Of course, there are other implementations that could achieve a similar result -- but the key message here is that with a minor enhancement, it would greatly improve the user experience and make logging measurements more efficient. Additional Feedback Some other features related to logging that would be very welcome are: 1) Allow user to set logging interval other than 1 second. (a) Less than 1 second is helpful for capturing transients -- how fast can you go without overtaxing the CPU/display? (b) Longer than 1 second is helpful for measurements that don't change fast, and it reduces the amount of data while extending the logging duration. For example, maybe I want to log temperature for 1 month. I may only need a data point every 10 seconds or 1 minute, especially if there is a long thermal lag on the thing I'm measuring. I would see the UI offering obvious steps, such as 1, 2, 5, 10, 15, 30, 60 seconds -- and then 2, 5, 10, 30, 60 minutes -- and then hourly increments up to 24 hours -- or allow a user-defined interval. (c) I haven't verified yet if the logging measurements are time-stamped in the output file, but if not, they should be. 2) Allow trace color selection between the 2 logging channels 3) Consider allowing 4 logging channels (2 measurements/scope input) 4) Allow user-settable scales on logging output (particularly vertical range). Right now it autoranges, which is fine -- but sometimes you want to compare two graphs using the same scale and being able to force the vertical min/max/center to a specific set of values is very important. Another reason is that sometimes you may have a small glitch when connecting a cable -- and it can distort the entire logging range by compressing the data you want to see. So having a user settable vertical scale is very important in any logging situation. I have many other ideas/suggestion for how to improve the U1620A user experience and would welcome the opportunity to speak directly to the product management team responsible for this product line. Please send me a direct message via the forum with your contact information and we can continue this offline. Thank you! |
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