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有人可以对Spartan 6与Artix 7的生命周期进行评论。我设计了一些带有Spartan 6 LXT 45的电路板，我对它的各种设计方面非常友好，我相信它的可用资源足够多。 我相信Spartan 6非常适合我的另一个项目，但是我看到一些团队成员向Artix 7转移。 由于我们在工业设备上使用FPGA，因此Artix 7上的上/下排序要求和I / O电压引起了我的关注。 此外，我应该花更多时间阅读有关PCB设计等的事实。 有人可以帮助我比生命周期吗？ 我看到Spartan 6的吸引力在2009年，Artix 7在2010年。 我想使用的Spartan 6是XC6SLX45T FGG484 谢谢 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Hi All, Can some one comment on the life cycle of Spartan 6 vs Artix 7. I have designed a few boards with Spartan 6 LXT 45 and I am very comfprtable with various design aspect of it and I am sure that its available resouces are moretah enough. I do believe that Spartan 6 would be a great fit for another project of mine , but I see some push back from a team member to move to Artix 7. Power up/down sequencing requirment and I/O voltage on the Artix 7 concern me since we use the FPGA on a industrial equipment. Plus the fact that I should spend more time reading about PCB design and etc. Can someone help me compare than life cycle? I see the introction of Spartan 6 is in 2009 and Artix 7 is in 2010. The Spartan 6 I want to use is the XC6SLX45T FGG484 Thanks 
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我认为这超出了我的水晶球未来的猜测，建议10年的商业截止日期（是或否）。 我建议Virtex 2 Pro和Spartan 3部件的尺寸要大得多，它们仍在销售中（但我不建议将它们用于新的设计中！）。 由于三星（针对Spartan 6）和台积电（针对Artix）确实处于世界第一，或者不低于世界第二，我认为它们不会在未来十年内随时消失。 更重要的是，您的设备是否会在没有任何改进的情况下销售十年？ 如果是这样，让我知道我是什么！ 不用担心竞争和成本就太棒了。 我会关注更新和改进我的产品。 Xilinx FPGA器件允许将HDL转换为新器件，因此您的设计“面向未来”，并且您可以确保在功能和价格合适时始终能够升级到更新的技术。 Austin Lesea主要工程师Xilinx San Jose 在原帖中查看解决方案 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 p, I think it is beyond my crystal ball future guessing to suggest a 10 year commercial deadline (yes, or no). I would suggest that Virtex 2 Pro, and Spartan 3 parts are far older, and they are still for sale (but I would not recommend their use in a new design!). As Samsung (for Spartan 6), and TSMC (for Artix) are literally at the top, or no less than second in the world, I do not think they are going to go away any time in the next ten years. More important, is your device going to sell for ten years without any improvements? If so, let me know what i is! That would be great to not have to worry about competition, and costs. I would be concerned with updating and improving my products. Xilinx FPGA devices allow for conversion of the HDL to a new device, so that your design is "future-proof" and you may be assured of always being able to upgrade to a newer technology when the features and price is suitable. Austin Lesea Principal Engineer Xilinx San JoseView solution in original post |
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p，
两者都畅销，并且拥有强大的采用历史。 我的一般规则是使用最新的设备，因为随着时间的推移它将提供最大的好处。 两者都有很长的生产寿命。 Xilinx在最后一次购买前提供1年通知。 最后一次购买必须在下一年交付。 那是提前两年通知。 在此之前我们已经很多年了。 Austin Lesea主要工程师Xilinx San Jose 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 p, Both are selling well, and have a robust history of adoption. My general rule is to use the latest device, as it will provide the greatest benefit as time goes forward. Either will have a long production life. Xilinx provides a 1 year notice before the last time buy. The last time buy must be delivered in the following year. That is two years advance notice. We are many years before that at this moment. Austin Lesea Principal Engineer Xilinx San Jose |
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您没有提到产品生命周期有多长。
在芯片变得过时之前很久，你会发现价格差异将更加偏向于Artix-7。 事实上即使现在Artix-7每个LUT也更便宜。 另一方面，您需要熟悉Vivado，因为ISE仅涵盖Artix中的100T和200T部件，而较小的部件可以帮助您降低成本。 - Gabor 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 You didn't mention how long your product life cycle is. Long before either chip becomes obsolete, you will find that the price differential will start to favor Artix-7 more heavily. In fact even now Artix-7 is cheaper per LUT. On the other hand, you will need to become familiar with Vivado, because ISE only covers the 100T and 200T parts in Artix, and it's the smaller parts that would help you to reduce cost. -- Gabor |
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嗨，大家好，
我们制造工业设备，我们每年最多只使用100个这样的FPGA。 因此成本并不是一个大问题，从我的比较来看，LXT45的售价约为88美元，而最便宜的Artix售价约为180美元。 基本上我需要知道以下两个芯片的生命周期的差异 XC7A200T-2FBG676C与XC6SLX45T-FGG484 -3C 我知道这款Spartan 6可以完美地处理我的设计。 只是想确保它至少再过10年。 谢谢 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Hi guys, We make industrial equipment and we will be using only 100 of these FPGA per year at most. So cost is not a big issue and from my comparison LXT45 is running at around $88, wheras the cheapest Artix is around $180. Basically I need to know the difference in life cycle of the following two chips XC7A200T-2FBG676C vs XC6SLX45T-FGG484 -3C I know that this Spartan 6 can handle my design perfectly. Just want to make sure that it will be around at least for another 10 years. Thanks |
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我们在这些设备上使用的CPU具有大约10年的生命周期，因此在FPGA上使用10年或更长时间会很棒
以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 The CPU that we use on these devices have about 10 years life cycle, so 10 or more years on FPGA would be great |
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p，
根据您的工作温度，设备的预期寿命为20年，甚至更长（定义为当故障为人口的0.1％= =寿命结束时）。 商业寿命与使用寿命是两回事。 你问的两个中哪一个？ 设备运行的时间（故障期间的寿命）或商业可行性（它们的销售时间）？ Austin Lesea主要工程师Xilinx San Jose 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 p, Depending on your operating temperature, the expected lifetime of the device is 20 years, or even longer (defined as when failures are 0.1% of the population == end of life). Commercial lifetime vs. operating lifetime are two different things. Which of the two are you asking about? How long a device will operate (lifetime until failure) or commercial viability (how long they are sold)? Austin Lesea Principal Engineer Xilinx San Jose |
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伙计们，如果我的问题含糊不清，我很抱歉。
我想要问的是Xilinx将淘汰Spartan 6和Artix XC7A200T-2FBG676C与XC6SLX45T-FGG484 -3C 我可以期待Spartan 6再过10到12年吗？ 谢谢 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Guys, I am sorry if my question was vague. What I meant to ask is when Xilinx will obsolete Spartan 6 and when Artix XC7A200T-2FBG676C vs XC6SLX45T-FGG484 -3C Can I expect another 10-12 years on Spartan 6? Thanks |
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p，
我认为这超出了我的水晶球未来的猜测，建议10年的商业截止日期（是或否）。 我建议Virtex 2 Pro和Spartan 3部件的尺寸要大得多，它们仍在销售中（但我不建议将它们用于新的设计中！）。 由于三星（针对Spartan 6）和台积电（针对Artix）确实处于世界第一，或者不低于世界第二，我认为它们不会在未来十年内随时消失。 更重要的是，您的设备是否会在没有任何改进的情况下销售十年？ 如果是这样，让我知道我是什么！ 不用担心竞争和成本就太棒了。 我会关注更新和改进我的产品。 Xilinx FPGA器件允许将HDL转换为新器件，因此您的设计“面向未来”，并且您可以确保在功能和价格合适时始终能够升级到更新的技术。 Austin Lesea主要工程师Xilinx San Jose 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 p, I think it is beyond my crystal ball future guessing to suggest a 10 year commercial deadline (yes, or no). I would suggest that Virtex 2 Pro, and Spartan 3 parts are far older, and they are still for sale (but I would not recommend their use in a new design!). As Samsung (for Spartan 6), and TSMC (for Artix) are literally at the top, or no less than second in the world, I do not think they are going to go away any time in the next ten years. More important, is your device going to sell for ten years without any improvements? If so, let me know what i is! That would be great to not have to worry about competition, and costs. I would be concerned with updating and improving my products. Xilinx FPGA devices allow for conversion of the HDL to a new device, so that your design is "future-proof" and you may be assured of always being able to upgrade to a newer technology when the features and price is suitable. Austin Lesea Principal Engineer Xilinx San Jose |
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你可能也希望以相反的方式看待事物
即工具链。 Spartan 6仅限ISE。 几年前ISE停止运行，Windows 10不支持 Vivado正在进行中， 在Windows 7,8,10上受支持。 如果我想在5年内能够更新设计，我不知道我有一台Windows 7可以安装的机器我就没有机器上装有Windows 7。 好的可能是/可能是Linux，但同样的错觉适用。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 You might want to look at things the other way around also i.e. tool chain. Spartan 6 is ISE only. ISE stoped a few years ago, and is not supported on windows 10, Vivado is on going, is supported on windows 7, 8 , 10 . If I wanted to be able to update a design in say 5 years , I dont know I'd have a machine that windows 7 would install on I would not have a machine with windows 7 on. OK yes may be / possibly Linux , but the same sort of discusion applies. |
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感谢你们。
台积电和三星都是我们的客户。 我们为光刻制造激光器。 谢谢 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Thank you guys. TSMC and Sumsaung are both our customers. We build the laser for the lithography. Thanks |
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drjohnsmith写道：
你可能也希望以相反的方式看待事物 即工具链。 Spartan 6仅限ISE。 几年前ISE停止运行，Windows 10不支持 Vivado正在进行中， 在Windows 7,8,10上受支持。 如果我想在5年内能够更新设计，我不知道我有一台Windows 7可以安装的机器我就没有机器上装有Windows 7。 好的可能是/可能是Linux，但同样的错觉适用。 只是一个附录。 Xilinx可能不支持Windows 10上的ISE，但这并不意味着它不能在Windows 10上运行。这意味着它没有义务提供更新或安全补丁，也无法保证完美运行（或类似的东西）。 我在Windows 10上使用ISE 14.2。没有操作系统问题。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 drjohnsmith wrote:Just an addendum. Xilinx may not support ISE on Windows 10, but that does not imply it does not run on Windows 10. It means that it is not obliged to provide updates or security patches and cannot guarantee a perfect run (or something of the kind). I am using ISE 14.2 on Windows 10. No OS issues. |
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同意
个人而言，这只是一种风险，依赖于微软没有做出阻止ISE的更新是一种风险，我宁愿不采用商业产品 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Agree its just a risk, personally, relying on Microsoft not making an update that stops ISE is a risk I'd rather not take with a commercial product |
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您始终可以使用ISE运行Windows 7虚拟机。
以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 You could always run a Windows 7 virtual machine with ISE. |
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